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...... anything sort of worship for Obama is "hate" but anything can be said of Bush and McCain. Thanks for the reminder

How so? I mean, I know you've been fed the talking points, but do you understand the issue enough to detail it? Just where did Bush even mention Chamberlain, much less Obama?

BTW, didn't Obama just condemn Carter's talks with Hamas because he was talking with terrorists?

Ahh, the spin, or should I say the paraphrasing. Here's what actually Bush said;

And that is why the founding charter of Hamas calls for the "elimination" of Israel. And that is why the followers of Hezbollah chant "Death to Israel, Death to America!" That is why Osama bin Laden teaches that "the killing of Jews and Americans is one of the biggest duties." And that is why the president of Iran dreams of returning the Middle East to the Middle Ages and calls for Israel to be wiped off the map.

Some people suggest if the United States would just break ties with Israel, all our problems in the Middle East would go away. This is a tired argument that buys into the propaganda of the enemies of peace, and America utterly rejects it. Israel's population may be just over 7 million. But when you confront terror and evil, you are 307 million strong, because the United States of America stands with you.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080515/ap_on_go_pr_wh/bush_mideast_text_1

Care to take issue with that, or can you only create the strawman (via paraphrasing) and then become a pyromaniac?

BTW, the American Senator Bush referenced, the one that thought he could have talked sense into Hitler, he was a Republican. I guess that proves he was talking about Obama, right?

You mean like the negotiation the US and partners have been conducting with North Korea? Wasn't that during the Bush administration? Didn’t the Democrats oppose the six party talks the entire way?

I could have sworn....

Say, tell me, do you really think anything of value could be negotiated (without preconditions, remember) with someone like Iran's little holocaust denier? The guy who’s so honest and grounded in reality that he says there are no gay people in Iran? (maybe he thinks he’s hanged them all already) Really?

No doubt you can provide us some evidence that McCain supported talks with Hamas without precondition. Can we wait here while you go and get it?

BTW, since Obama just condemned Carter's talks with Hamas (say, guess who they'd like to see in the Whitehouse) does that mean in your mind McCain should support such talks? Moreover, since Obama just dissed Carter for talking to Hamas, where’s there any evidence that Bush was talking about Obama at all? Since Hillary has already raised this issue of Obama's "no preconditions" offer of talks with Iran, why is it so outragious that McCain might say the same thing?

As for the “smart guy” comments (and the partier stuff too, Obama has a history) , my guess is McCain knows how many states there are and doesn’t have a bizarrely distorted memory of any speeches he gave in Detroit. Are you sure you want to go down that path?

I know the HuffPuff and various leftwing websites have been pushing this meme, the problem is they cut McCain's comments off in the little video they provided you.

Check out what they deleted, start at .54 seconds...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4A-o2U4Y7DQ&eurl=http://www.anklebitingpundits.com/content/index.php?p=3186

In written form;

Rubin: So should we the United States be dealing with that new reality through normal diplomatic contacts to get the job done for the United States?

McCain: I think the United States should take a step back, see what they do when they form their government, see what their policies are and see what ways we can engage them; and if there aren’t any then their may be a hiatus. But I think that part of the relationship is going to be dictated by how Hamas acts, not how the United States acts.

That, my friend is called "pre-conditions". Now you know they lied to you, the people that fed you that "McCain wanted to meet with Hamas in 2006" stuff, do you feel betrayed?

You can see more stuff like this at the Daily Kos. It seems to be a political sub-culture that uses an entirely different language. If not that, then perhaps certain things just naturally set them off.

Rules What......?

Lowest approval rating by a president since LBJ?

But then again they both waged wars that made no sense (at least with Vietnam the "domino theory" had some legitiimacy) and increased social spending at the same time.

I love the cut pasty knee jerks reactions to any slight on their beloved King George.

John
Glenn said...

This
should make you think a little:

There were 39 combat related
killings in Iraq in January.
In the fair city of Detroit there were 35
murders in the month of January.

That's just one American city,

about as deadly as the entire
war-torn country of Iraq .

When some claim that
President Bush shouldn't
have started this war, state the
following:

a. FDR led us into World
War II.

b. Germany never attacked us ; Japan did.
From
1941-1945, 450,000 lives were lost
an average of 112,500 per
year.

c. Truman finished that
war and started one in Korea
North Korea never attacked us .
From
1950-1953, 55,000 lives were lost .
an average of 18,334 per
year.

d. John F. Kennedy started the
Vietnam conflict in 1962.
Vietnam never attacked
us.

e. Johnson turned Vietnam into
a quagmire.
>From 1965-1975, 58,000 lives were lost ..
an
average of 5,800 per year.

f. Clinton went to war in Bosnia
without UN or French consent.
Bosnia never attacked us
He was
offered Osama bin Laden's head on a platter three
times by Sudan and
did nothing.

Osama has attacked us on multiple
occasions.

g. In the years since
terrorists attacked us ,

President Bush has liberated two
countries,

crushed the Taliban, crippled
al-Qaida,

put nuclear inspectors in Libya ,
Iran , and, North Korea
without firing a shot, and captured a
terrorist who
slaughtered 300,000 of his own people.

The
Democrats are complaining
about how long the war is
taking.

But Wait;

It took less time to take Iraq
than it took Janet Reno
to take the Branch Davidian compound.
That
was a 51-day
operation..

We've been looking for
evidence for chemical weapons
in Iraq for less time than it took
Hillary Clinton to find
the Rose Law Firm billing records.

It took less time for the 3rd
Infantry Division and the
Marines to destroy the Medina Republican
Guard
than it took Ted Kennedy to call the police after
his
Oldsmobile sank at Chappaquiddick.

It took less time to take
Iraq than it took
to count the votes in Florida !!!

Our Commander-In-Chief is doing a GREAT JOB
!
The Military morale is high!

The biased media hopes we are too ignorant
to
realize the facts

But wait!

There's more!

JOHN GLENN (on the Senate
floor - January 26, 2004)

Some people still don't understand why
military personnel
do what they do for a living. This exchange
between
Senators John Glenn and Senator Howard Metzenbaum
is worth
reading. Not only is it a pretty impressive
impromptu speech, but it's
also a good example of one
man's explanation of why men and women in
the armed
services do what they do for a
living.

This
IS a typical, though sad, example of what
some who have never served
think of the military.

Senator Metzenbaum (speaking
to Senator Glenn):
'How can you run for Senate when you've never held a
real job?'

Senator Glenn (D-Ohio):
'I served 23 years in the
United States Marine Corps.
I served through two wars. I flew 149
missions.
My plane was hit by a nti-aircraft fire on 12
different
occasions. I was in the space program. It wasn't my

checkbook, Howard; it was my life on the line. It was
not a
nine-to-five job, where I took time off to take the
daily cash receipts
to the bank.'

'I ask you to go with me . . as I went the other
day...
to a veteran's hospital and look those men ..
wit h their
mangled bodies . in the eye, and tell THEM
they didn't hold a
job!

You
go with me to the Space Program at NASA
and go, as I have gone, to the
widow s and Orphans
of Ed White, Gus Grissom and Roger
Chaffee...
and you look those kids in the eye and tell them
that
their DADS didn't hold a job.

You go with me on Memorial
Day and you stand in
Arlington National Cemetery, where I have more
friends
buried than I'd like to remember, and you watch
those waving
flags.

You stand there, and you
think about this nation,
and you tell ME that those people didn't have
a job?

What about you?'
For those who don't
remember
During W.W.II, Howard Metzenbaum was an
attorney
representing the Communist Partyin theUSA .

Now he's a Senator!

If you can read this, thank a
teacher.
If you are reading it in English thank a
Veteran.

It might not be a bad idea to keep this
circulating.

I AM!!!

For an outstanding post

... that's a little disappointing, I had you figured for someone who cared about the truth and would respond in a rational fashion. Bush never mentioned Obama or even Chamberlain, you won’t comment on what he actually said, you won’t even comment on how the HuffPuff et al lied to you about what McCain said in 2006.

Right-Wing-nutbag-gobbledeegook I've been forwarded by some other thoughtless protozoans about a zillion times since about 2002.

Nice job. Look, preying on the uneducated works only about so long. Get ready for the rubberband to snap back, and snap back hard.

Next you'll send us another Heritage Foundation generated one about something Andy Rooney "...said on TV! This is real!" But to your original point? Yes, it did make me think...for about a nanosecond. That thought? Hee Hee!

So John Yang at NBC and Ed Henry at CNN must be off the reservation after getting background from Senior Administration Officials who said the Obama and Carter were mentioned BY NAME clarifying that Bush was indeed suggesting the remarks were aimed at both of those Democratic figures.

Then they get Perino to back peddle and deny, deny, deny. I love the irony that Bush proclaims that negotiating with terrorists is a horrible idea. Obviously not a student of history (or much of anything else it seems) as Messrs. Reagan and Nixon BOTH DID IT.

But lets not get any facts involved that controvert your unilaterally cogent argumentative styling. Preach on Baghdad Brezz! All is well! Bush is popular! HUH?

Im sure you will have Brezz answer this for you but several questions from this post (that you probably got from someone else):

1. What is the taxpayers monthly bill, in Detroit vs. Iraq?

2. As lenghty as "your" post is, you never talk about the correlation between Iraq and 9/11.........? So as a fiscally responsable republican, pls tell us taxpayers why this whole thing makes sense.....?

3. WAIT......! Oh yes, Germany and Japan.........! Those two countries had the military infrastructure and ideology to indeed change the world. So according to the president, CIA, State Dept, FBI, 911 COMMISION (which Bush opposed) etc, those Iraqui idiots had nothing to do with 9/11

Silly me........my third question is: "how can you compare Iraq with Germany and Japan when they can't even hit our tanks with sling-shotted camel turds afire?

4. Kennedy "started" Vietnam?....... check your history. That mess was basically inheritated from the french but yes, Kennedy and then Johnson added fuel to the fire. Your boy Nixon saw it was a disaster and ended it (good decision, was this: "cut and run?) Your boy also normalized relations with China (another good decision) Today we trade with Russia, China and Vietnam but not silly and harmless Cuba because Bush is afraid of losing the Cuban/Miami crybaby vote.

(5) Which two countries has Bush liberated and at what cost both in financial terms and in terms of human tragedy?.......... I know that since the Taliban are out, Opium production is through the roof and outside of Kabul it is still touch and go?.......

How does the average Iraqui feel?, those that have both fled and not fled the country?

....... he bought the lies hook, line and sinker, to include the edited McCain comments from 2006, and he just can't bring himself to face the ugly truth. He's been played...

The ugly truth is our country's standing in the world (get out there sometime, we're a laughingstock in London, Liverpool, Manchester, and Nassau) and seven more months of this idiocracy won't change that. What about Carter talking to Begin! He was a terrorist right! Carter is Obama! Be afraid! Raise the terror level! What great leadership from the bully pulpit.

The brutal truth is, I love your vitriol laced defending of the shrub. My forward list that goes from coast to coast loves your Baghdad Bob impressions. Preach on to the 27 percent!

McCain's edited comments? That job should be left to Pablo Picasso. Here's the next liar candidate up chopping up his Kama Sutra-like positions on the chopping block. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GEtZlR3zp4c

Keep playing your broken record defense contract with the Bush Whitehouse...it's a riot! Also see how John McCain will try (and fail miserably) to separate himself from the Uniter-in-Chief. Played? Not by a long shot. Nice try. Tilt away at that windmill Don...then go peel that DUBYA sticker off (probably at night under cover of darkness) your SUV and get used to the saying "Ladies and Gentlemen, I give you the President of the United States, Barak Obama."

But please, please, don't feel badly for me. I am laughing out loud every time I read your responses. Keep 'em coming.

and the nations that trade with the US, especially in Asia, are scared to death a democrat will win in November. As to the "they hate us" meme, Europe is soundly--or perhaps roundly--conservative as most of their governments align them closely to the United States. France, Germany, Italy, all of Scandinavia, and of course, all of "New Europe" continue to support the US. Even Gordon Brown, the PM of the UK, that includes London, Liverpool, and Manchester--I'll give you Nassau--has reaffirmed that "special relationship." Anti-American attitudes by that portion of the Western European population that does not get a vote in our elections, find it cool, chic, and fashionable to disparage Americans (believe me, I unfortunately see them from time-to-time) is nothing new regardless of who is president. But yet they vote into office their own conservatives. Go figure.

So go cry me a river over what Europeans think. They know where their interest lie. You are probably nothing more than what they consider to be an unsuspecting American that is more than willing to trash your country in front of them; they of course are more than happy to agree with you, but behind your back consider you a real chump, just as the Democratic Party elite do. I've seen many like you outside the US attempting to prove to be just as "sophisticated" as any other European.

I just said we were a laughingstock. Maybe you need a dictionary and a thesaurus.

As to your "go cry me a river" comment, it's chump attitudes like the one you display that has us in the river of tears this administration has foisted on the American public. I never trash my country. But I am tired of apologizing for its constant stream of mistakes. The many like me will be voting in November, wanna bet how it turns out?

maybe in the circles that you pretend to run in make you feel that way, but somehow, the evidence of European electoral patterns portends that the joke is on you. If you feel you need to apologize for anything certain elements in Europe don't approve of, then those looking for you to do so are certainly playing you for a chump. I've seen it all too many times.

Who will win in November? It is only May. Could not tell you. Pardon me for breaking the Obama Rules.

... bring himself to put down the shovel....

"Vitriol"? Talk about irony....you might want to try to read your own posts...

That's right, editied comments. I brought you the complete video and text. If you can't bring yourself to admit the very next question and answer that were edited out of the version your handlers fed to you to spread undermined the entire "McCain wanted to speak to Hamas in 2006" meme, there's little hope for you.

... explaining to him that despite all the "laughing stock" (they said that of Reagan too) comments the default election position in Europe for the past six years (aside from the notable exception of Spain) has been take the extreme anti-Bush position and you'll lose the election? See the UK, Germany, Italy and French examples.

...boys, no need to get all worked up over some dumb politician saying something stupid......like that doesn't happen every freaking day.

Brezz, how do you see the screen through all that lather?

To the McCain campaign. I wouldn't tout the voting of Europeans as my fall back defense of President Nitwit. I've seen the chump playing...for almost eight years now. I can tell you who will win in November. Time to get reason and rationale to replace the Ruler in Chief.

from the Europeans as your proxy for the November 2008 election. I recall being told Kerry would win in 2004, even had the polls in his favor leading up to the election. I'm glad you know who will win. As for me? I'll wait a bit longer.